Comments on: Absence of evidence finally proves evidence of absence! http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/ Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:54:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Tim Vickers http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-30160 Tim Vickers Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:33:25 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-30160 Good piece, its enough to make me want to see editorials peer-reviewed. Good piece, its enough to make me want to see editorials peer-reviewed.

]]> By: hapa http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-29283 hapa Tue, 04 Mar 2008 02:15:48 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-29283 on february 20, 2008, shouting thomas <a href="http://shoutingthomas.typepad.com/harleys_cars_girls_guitar/2008/02/more-saving-the.html" rel="nofollow">said</a>: <i>I truly am uninterested in politics. Obama’s speech was a litany of empty platitudes. Hillary is no better. I do, however, get what excites their followers, because when I was much younger I believed many of the things they believe. The kids have had the race and sex hysteria beaten into them through a relentless indoctrination campaign in the media and the educational system. Most of the kids didn’t get a traditional religious education. In fact, their religious education was the race and sex indoctrination. As has often been pointed out, original sin has been redefined for them. Racial and sexual prejudice is original sin for them. And, like all true believers, the kids are convinced that rooting out this prejudice will solve all the problems of the world.</i> "rape" is the battle cry of feminazis? on february 20, 2008, shouting thomas said:

I truly am uninterested in politics. Obama’s speech was a litany of empty platitudes. Hillary is no better.

I do, however, get what excites their followers, because when I was much younger I believed many of the things they believe. The kids have had the race and sex hysteria beaten into them through a relentless indoctrination campaign in the media and the educational system.

Most of the kids didn’t get a traditional religious education. In fact, their religious education was the race and sex indoctrination. As has often been pointed out, original sin has been redefined for them. Racial and sexual prejudice is original sin for them. And, like all true believers, the kids are convinced that rooting out this prejudice will solve all the problems of the world.

“rape” is the battle cry of feminazis?

]]> By: Wisteria http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28950 Wisteria Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:07:43 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28950 I am appalled that this piece of right-wing propaganda made it into the LA Times in the first place. The response,<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-macdonald27feb27,0,6130673.story" rel="nofollow">written by SAFER's Nora Niedzielski-Eichner,</a> does an excellent job at exposing how the tired rape denialism argument has been repackaged over and over again by the same set of "culture war"-fueling right-wing institutions and, specifically, MacDonald's connections to these institutions. Not only is this denialism argument old and discredited, it is part of a larger effort by right-wing organizations such as the Manhattan Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) and the Independent Women's Forum to delegitimize and combat feminist successes on campuses nationwide, particularly the rise of women's/gender studies departments, rape crisis centers, and other anti-violence programming. This is a longstanding strategy bankrolled by the top right-wing foundations (Scaife, Olin and Bradley, among others) and implemented, in large part, through a great deal of media savvy and a suspect ability to place even the most discredited propaganda in the pages of respected news publications. Even the most minor of fact-checking endeavors would reveal MacDonald’s op-ed as not only dated, unoriginal and a complete rehash of numerous past efforts bankrolled by the same institutions, but also one that has been torn apart time and time again in a wide variety of forums. The Times owes its readers an explanation of how it is that think tanks such as the Manhattan Institute, with their old, discredited propaganda, have such access to their op-ed pages. Check out <a href="”http://safercampus.org/blog/2008/02/27/amazing-bloggers-united-to-take-down-offensive-ignorant-remarks/”" rel="nofollow">the united bloggers’ responses</a>to this disgusting distortion. I am appalled that this piece of right-wing propaganda made it into the LA Times in the first place. The response,written by SAFER’s Nora Niedzielski-Eichner, does an excellent job at exposing how the tired rape denialism argument has been repackaged over and over again by the same set of “culture war”-fueling right-wing institutions and, specifically, MacDonald’s connections to these institutions.

Not only is this denialism argument old and discredited, it is part of a larger effort by right-wing organizations such as the Manhattan Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) and the Independent Women’s Forum to delegitimize and combat feminist successes on campuses nationwide, particularly the rise of women’s/gender studies departments, rape crisis centers, and other anti-violence programming. This is a longstanding strategy bankrolled by the top right-wing foundations (Scaife, Olin and Bradley, among others) and implemented, in large part, through a great deal of media savvy and a suspect ability to place even the most discredited propaganda in the pages of respected news publications.

Even the most minor of fact-checking endeavors would reveal MacDonald’s op-ed as not only dated, unoriginal and a complete rehash of numerous past efforts bankrolled by the same institutions, but also one that has been torn apart time and time again in a wide variety of forums. The Times owes its readers an explanation of how it is that think tanks such as the Manhattan Institute, with their old, discredited propaganda, have such access to their op-ed pages.

Check out the united bloggers’ responsesto this disgusting distortion.

]]> By: Amazing bloggers united to take down offensive, ignorant remarks http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28949 Amazing bloggers united to take down offensive, ignorant remarks Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:04:41 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28949 [...] Rhinocrisy Absence of evidence finally proves evidence of absence! [...] [...] Rhinocrisy Absence of evidence finally proves evidence of absence! [...]

]]> By: saurabh http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28934 saurabh Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:22:19 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28934 Also, I'm not sure I understand your Reichstag Fire analogy - what, exactly, are you suggesting that the left is attempting to accomplish by discussing rape on college campuses? Other than ending rape on college campuses? Also, I’m not sure I understand your Reichstag Fire analogy - what, exactly, are you suggesting that the left is attempting to accomplish by discussing rape on college campuses? Other than ending rape on college campuses?

]]> By: saurabh http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28933 saurabh Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:21:05 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28933 Shouting Thomas - I'm not lying. At least, my intent is not to lie. I'm not even making claims about a "rape culture", simply that rape happens on college campuses. It's perfectly possible I'm incorrect, of course. But I've laid out what I think is a reasonable set of evidence that my case is correct, and that MacDonald is wrong. I can easily furnish more corroborating evidence. If you're aware of compelling evidence that I'm wrong, please let me know. I assume we're in agreement on the basic premise - if, indeed, rape is reasonably prevalent on college campuses (at a rate above, say, 2% a year), then it behooves us to do something about it? Shouting Thomas - I’m not lying. At least, my intent is not to lie. I’m not even making claims about a “rape culture”, simply that rape happens on college campuses. It’s perfectly possible I’m incorrect, of course. But I’ve laid out what I think is a reasonable set of evidence that my case is correct, and that MacDonald is wrong. I can easily furnish more corroborating evidence. If you’re aware of compelling evidence that I’m wrong, please let me know.

I assume we’re in agreement on the basic premise - if, indeed, rape is reasonably prevalent on college campuses (at a rate above, say, 2% a year), then it behooves us to do something about it?

]]> By: Shouting Thomas http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28922 Shouting Thomas Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:23:14 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28922 The rape and sexual abuse hysteria is the Reichstag Fire of the left. You are a liar. Period. And a rather vicious one at that. The rape and sexual abuse hysteria is the Reichstag Fire of the left.

You are a liar. Period.

And a rather vicious one at that.

]]> By: hapa http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28773 hapa Mon, 25 Feb 2008 08:33:43 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28773 "tories do it thinking of england" “tories do it thinking of england”

]]> By: IanR http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28749 IanR Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:53:55 +0000 http://rhinocrisy.org/2008/02/absence-of-evidence-finally-proves-evidence-of-absence/#comment-28749 Yep - anecdotes and opinions beat data any day of the week... If I wasn't so lazy I'm sure I could find a half dozen of the denialist deck of cards in MacDonald's article. Yep - anecdotes and opinions beat data any day of the week…

If I wasn’t so lazy I’m sure I could find a half dozen of the denialist deck of cards in MacDonald’s article.

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